Comments on: Putting out the RFC http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/ ...what I think and why Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:22:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: mike http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-4017 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:07:21 +0000 http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-4017 help is on the way boys, just be patient help is on the way boys, just be patient

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by: King http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3985 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:18:24 +0000 http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3985 Greg, and they will be..... Greg, and they will be…..

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by: Greg Helms http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3979 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:46:58 +0000 http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3979 I agree King. Those you mention are nothing more than deadwood that need to be cleared. Until they are, whoever is chair is going to stuggle. I agree King. Those you mention are nothing more than deadwood that need to be cleared. Until they are, whoever is chair is going to stuggle.

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by: King http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3957 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:27:12 +0000 http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3957 Mr. Howell, You are correct... I have never been and will never be associated with the people who have broken the party. For this I am most proud. As it is nice to have some dignity and integrity. Our party is not dead Chris, just badly broken from many, many years of leadership allowing themselves to be lead by the nose. This is not completely the leaders fault as they inherited the social club that is a force in our party. Example given... Why do you think the coming out against the Med Mart Tax was not added to the platform as proposed? You have been around long enough, and I guess you may know exactly why. Because some of the "money men" or so called "power people" cried and stomped their feet. Well they will have a treat at our next meeting! A motion will be moved to have the Med Mart Tax language inserted in our platform. That is if the platform passes this time. Another example of why we fail... Democrat Ward Leader in a local city had a republicans sign in their yard, with the permission of Dimora. Rank & file dems complained so loudly, she was forced to remove it. We have so called high ranking RPCC members donating to democrats, we have RPCC members that refuse to support our candidates and we have RPCC members that endorse democrat candidates over RPCC endorsed candidates. This is the type of thing that has broken our party. Allowing our party to be hijacked by a select few for many years has stifled our growth and thinking. Jim & Mike were saddled by this as is Rob. Had Ron Lisy been elected Chairman when he ran against Rob, he would have had the same problems. Have a good day King Mr. Howell,

You are correct… I have never been and will never be associated with the people who have broken the party. For this I am most proud. As it is nice to have some dignity and integrity.

Our party is not dead Chris, just badly broken from many, many years of leadership allowing themselves to be lead by the nose. This is not completely the leaders fault as they inherited the social club that is a force in our party.

Example given…
Why do you think the coming out against the Med Mart Tax was not added to the platform as proposed?

You have been around long enough, and I guess you may know exactly why. Because some of the “money men” or so called “power people” cried and stomped their feet. Well they will have a treat at our next meeting! A motion will be moved to have the Med Mart Tax language inserted in our platform. That is if the platform passes this time.

Another example of why we fail…

Democrat Ward Leader in a local city had a republicans sign in their yard, with the permission of Dimora. Rank & file dems complained so loudly, she was forced to remove it.

We have so called high ranking RPCC members donating to democrats, we have RPCC members that refuse to support our candidates and we have RPCC members that endorse democrat candidates over RPCC endorsed candidates.

This is the type of thing that has broken our party.
Allowing our party to be hijacked by a select few for many years has stifled our growth and thinking. Jim & Mike were saddled by this as is Rob. Had Ron Lisy been elected Chairman when he ran against Rob, he would have had the same problems.

Have a good day

King

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by: Joe Amschlinger http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3915 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:55:23 +0000 http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3915 Thanks Wendell, have already gotten some feedback. Thanks Wendell, have already gotten some feedback.

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by: Wendell http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3899 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:15:41 +0000 http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3899 Go Joe! Hey, does the party have a link (front page) on their site to your email address? If not they should. Go Joe!
Hey, does the party have a link (front page) on their site to your email address? If not they should.

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by: CEH http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3854 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:48:21 +0000 http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3854 Mr King It is clear by your tone that you have “never been” and “never will be”! But you are right about one thing. There is no need for a new chairman because the party in this county is not just broken, it is dead! Mr King

It is clear by your tone that you have “never been” and “never will be”!

But you are right about one thing. There is no need for a new chairman because the party in this county is not just broken, it is dead!

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by: Joe Amschlinger http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3842 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:26:59 +0000 http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3842 Well gang as I am the new Secretary for the Greater Cleveland Young Republicans I would like to let you know that I am open to any and all suggestions that any R has for me. I would love to see our membership rise so that we can support campaigns, develop young people into future candidates and be of service to the county party and the county as a whole. Feel free to e-mail me with any suggestions you have at amschlinger@yahoo.com Well gang as I am the new Secretary for the Greater Cleveland Young Republicans I would like to let you know that I am open to any and all suggestions that any R has for me. I would love to see our membership rise so that we can support campaigns, develop young people into future candidates and be of service to the county party and the county as a whole. Feel free to e-mail me with any suggestions you have at amschlinger@yahoo.com

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by: King http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3841 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:55:51 +0000 http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3841 First-- be a man C.E.H., state your name. Criticize from the sidelines? Should I take that as you are actively involved? Well if so, good job, you have not accomplished anything successful in how long? The rank and file will be on the sidelines no more. We will be breaking up your so called Friendship Club and the members will start having a say. The little social circles that have allowed our party to be run in the ground will be cast aside. You can bet there will be opposition like they have not seen for ANYTHING they try to force on us. Wise handed the party to Frost? Huh, funny did not think he OWNED to give to anybody. Are you implying that Frosts election to chairman was fixed or a done deal before we voted? Wise put candidates on the ballot? Big Shit! Any idiot can put people on the ballot. How about winning the race? How did Frost stab Wise in the back? What Wise forgot about the backstabbing he did? Let me guess, Wise wanted something done and Rob wouldn't, so now he is a backstabber. Has been or never been? First, you will eat those remarks and I assure you that, YOU will know me. I would rather be a never been that can look in the mirror and have integrity, than a has been with none! Wendell I stand corrected, sorry about the assumption. The time for change was quite some time ago. I would say before Frost was chairman. To be fair, Jim & Wise also had to deal with the "social club" trying to run the party, so they were also handicapped. While I feel the party is SO broken that anybody we put in as chairman right now would not do good. First thing we need to do is put a stop to republicans supporting democrats in the area. Example - Where have we been on the Med Mart & Conv. Center? We should have been out in front on this issue. Why weren't we? Because, as you know and seen often, the money men of the party do not want us too. I bet they were screaming bloody murder when they wanted to amend the platform with language against the tax and that is why it was not added to the platform. This is the garbage that MUST stop! You are dead on with the changes that are needed. UNtil this happens any chairmen would have a hard time succeeding. Throwing stones can be good, believe it or not, sometimes they fall in place to build the foundation! King First– be a man C.E.H., state your name.

Criticize from the sidelines? Should I take that as you are actively involved? Well if so, good job, you have not accomplished anything successful in how long?

The rank and file will be on the sidelines no more. We will be breaking up your so called Friendship Club and the members will start having a say. The little social circles that have allowed our party to be run in the ground will be cast aside.

You can bet there will be opposition like they have not seen for ANYTHING they try to force on us.

Wise handed the party to Frost? Huh, funny did not think he OWNED to give to anybody. Are you implying that Frosts election to chairman was fixed or a done deal before we voted?

Wise put candidates on the ballot? Big Shit! Any idiot can put people on the ballot. How about winning the race?

How did Frost stab Wise in the back? What Wise forgot about the backstabbing he did? Let me guess, Wise wanted something done and Rob wouldn’t, so now he is a backstabber.

Has been or never been? First, you will eat those remarks and I assure you that, YOU will know me.

I would rather be a never been that can look in the mirror and have integrity, than a has been with none!

Wendell I stand corrected, sorry about the assumption.

The time for change was quite some time ago. I would say before Frost was chairman. To be fair, Jim & Wise also had to deal with the “social club” trying to run the party, so they were also handicapped.

While I feel the party is SO broken that anybody we put in as chairman right now would not do good. First thing we need to do is put a stop to republicans supporting democrats in the area.

Example - Where have we been on the Med Mart & Conv. Center? We should have been out in front on this issue. Why weren’t we? Because, as you know and seen often, the money men of the party do not want us too. I bet they were screaming bloody murder when they wanted to amend the platform with language against the tax and that is why it was not added to the platform. This is the garbage that MUST stop!

You are dead on with the changes that are needed. UNtil this happens any chairmen would have a hard time succeeding.

Throwing stones can be good, believe it or not, sometimes they fall in place to build the foundation!

King

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by: Wendell http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3834 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:10:05 +0000 http://wendellrobinson.com/wenBLOG/2007/08/01/putting-out-the-rfc/#comment-3834 King - Two things, the conversation I was having was neither with Jeff or Mike, so... and I would agree that the party is broken, but I completely disagree with the idea that the current leadership isn't doing that bad. The time has come for a fundamental sea change in how the party does business - that means changing the committee structures, targeting visible and important races, actively recruiting more members through new kinds of outreach and paring down the budget to better achieve the goal of getting people elected. As for me, I've come to believe that most folks prefer for me to throw the stones rather than build the foundation. King -
Two things, the conversation I was having was neither with Jeff or Mike, so… and I would agree that the party is broken, but I completely disagree with the idea that the current leadership isn’t doing that bad.
The time has come for a fundamental sea change in how the party does business - that means changing the committee structures, targeting visible and important races, actively recruiting more members through new kinds of outreach and paring down the budget to better achieve the goal of getting people elected.
As for me, I’ve come to believe that most folks prefer for me to throw the stones rather than build the foundation.

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